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Should You Be Friends With Clients?

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Should you be friends with clients? 

I think a lot of us have been quietly wrestling with this idea of mixing business and personal.

We’ve inherited a whole heap of rules that were never designed for the businesses we run today, especially if we previously worked in corporate. I’m a child of the 80s, and I grew up professionally in human resources, recruitment, leadership, training, and coaching. Corporate had a very clear rule book.

Having a bad day? Leave it at the front door. Don’t bring your personal life into work. Don’t take personal calls. Take your lunch break at lunchtime. Be the first person in and the last one to leave. Work hard so everyone can see you’re working hard.

Win clients through relationships, but don’t get too close. Be professional. Be sensible. Be the good girl.

At the time, some of those rules probably made sense. They were designed for organisations with hundreds of employees and consistency mattered.

When I started my own business, I packed those rules up and brought them with me without even thinking. I sat at my desk because I thought I had to. I stayed there for eight hours even if I’d finished everything by lunchtime. I waited until lunch to eat because that’s what people do. I avoided going for a walk in the middle of the day because I didn’t want anyone to think I was unprofessional or lazy.

I almost had to ask myself permission to make a coffee.

Looking back, I laugh. I left corporate for freedom, yet somehow I recreated corporate inside my own business.

A couple of years in, I had one of those moments where you stop and look around and think, what on earth am I doing here? I didn’t build this business so someone else could tell me when I was allowed to have lunch, or when I was allowed to go to the bathroom. I didn’t build this business so I could stare at a screen simply because the clock hadn’t reached 5pm.

I started this business because I wanted impact. I wanted to help women build profitable businesses. I wanted flexibility for my kids. I wanted to create a life that worked for me and my family.

So I started rewriting the rules. It didn’t happen overnight, but bit by bit, permission by permission, my new rule book came into play.

These days my work looks very different. I still get up ridiculously early because I love the quiet mornings. I love getting outside and moving before everyone else is awake. I love walking, thinking, and processing. Some of my best ideas arrive before breakfast.

But after that, the day still belongs to me. If I want a coffee at 10, I’ll have one. If I want another coffee at 11, it’s probably happening. If I want to eat chocolate at 11, don’t tell Serena. If the sun is shining and my brain has stopped working, I go outside. If I’m exhausted, I stop.

Sometimes I work anywhere in the house. Sometimes I’m out with clients. Sometimes I’m in a cafe. Sometimes I’m speaking. I might be in planning mode. I might be writing my book.

And guess what. The work still gets done. It gets done better because I’m working with my energy instead of against it.

Corporate also didn’t prepare me for this other rule I decided to throw out, the idea that business relationships have to stay in a neat little box.

I don’t believe that anymore.

If one of my clients is running an event and they need an extra pair of hands and I’m free, I’ll go help. If one of my Thriving Women is visiting Melbourne from out of town, we’ll grab a coffee. When I’m in Brisbane for Go Getter Day and the girls say, “Emma, we’re all doing a soak afterwards, do you want to come?” Absolutely. I’m there.

Some people hear that and think I’ve crossed boundaries. Maybe. Boundaries matter, but boundaries don’t mean building walls. There’s a difference.

Am I blurring the lines? Probably. I’m stirring them up like a little cocktail and I’m okay with that, because my clients are amazing humans, and I’m human, and business is personal.

When someone trusts me with their business, they’re trusting you with their dreams, their fears, their finances, sometimes their marriages, sometimes their confidence, and sometimes the hardest season of their life. You don’t coach women for years and stay completely emotionally detached. I’d be terrible at my job if I did that, and I wouldn’t want to.

Some clients become friends. Some friends become clients. Life isn’t always as neat as the corporate handbook would like you to think.

Seasons change.

So here’s the lesson I want you to think about: 

How many of your business rules aren’t actually yours?

How many came from a boss, a bloke, an organisation, a workplace 20 years ago, or a society that rewarded people for looking busy instead of creating results?

Just because you’ve always done something a certain way does not mean you need to keep doing it.

You don’t need permission.

You can build a business that feels like yours, not someone else’s.

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[00:00:00] You're allowed to build a business that feels like yours, with real relationships, real life, and a schedule that actually suits you. Today I wanna talk about something that I think a lot of us have been quietly wrestling with. Well, not me so quietly. But it's this idea of mixing business and personal.
[00:00:18] Can I tell you something? I think we've inherited a whole heap of rules that were never designed for the businesses that we run today. I'm a child of the '80s. Yeah, you can do the math. I grew up professionally in human resources, recruitment, leadership, training, training development, and coaching.
[00:00:37] Corporate had a very clear rule book. Maybe some of these will sound familiar. Having a bad day? Leave it at the front door. Don't bring your personal life into work. Don't take personal calls. Oh, goodness. Take your lunch breaks at lunchtime. Be the first person in. Be the last one to leave. Work hard so everyone can see you're working [00:01:00] hard.
[00:01:00] Win clients through relationships, but don't get too close. Always be looking for the next client. Be professional. Be sensible. Be the good girl Now at the time, some of those rules probably made sense. They were designed for organisations with hundreds and hundreds of employees. Consistency probably mattered.
[00:01:24] But here's what I have realised. When I started my own business, I packed all those rules up and brought them with me without even thinking or questioning. I sat at my desk because I thought I had to. I stayed there for eight hours regardless of whether I'd finished everything by lunchtime or not. Silly me.
[00:01:44] I'd wait until lunch to eat because that's what people do. I'd avoid going for a walk in the middle of the day because, ooh, someone might feel like I'm unprofessional or, worse, lazy. I almost had to ask myself [00:02:00] permission to make myself a coffee. And looking back now, I laugh. How stupid. Because I left corporate for freedom , yet somehow I've recreated the corporate inside my own business.
[00:02:10] A couple of years into my business, I had one of those moments where you stop and you kinda look around and you ask yourself, "What on earth am I doing here?" I didn't build this business so someone else could tell me when I was allowed to have lunch, when I was allowed to pee. I didn't build this business so I could stare at a screen simply because the clock hadn't reached 5:00.
[00:02:34] I started this business because I wanted impact. I wanted to help women build profitable businesses. I wanted flexibility for my kids. I wanted to create a life that worked for me and my family. So I had to start rewriting these rules, and I can tell you that didn't happen overnight. But bit by bit, permission by permission, my new rule book came into play, and these days my work looks [00:03:00] very different.
[00:03:01] I still get up ridiculously early because I love the quiet mornings to myself. I love getting outside and moving before everyone else is awake. I love walking. I love thinking. I love processing. Some of my best ideas arrive before breakfast. But after that, the day still belongs to me. If I wanna have a coffee at 10:00, I'll have one.
[00:03:21] If I wanna have another coffee at 11:00- Probably also happening. If I wanna eat chocolate at 11, don't tell Serena. If the sun is shining and my brain has stopped working, I go outside. If I'm exhausted, I stop. Sometimes I'll work anywhere in the house. Sometimes I'm out with clients. Sometimes I'm in a cafe.
[00:03:39] Sometimes I'm speaking. I might be in planning mode. I might be writing my book. And guess what? The work still gets done. Actually, it gets done better because I'm working with my energy instead of against it. And the thing corporate didn't really prepare me for, this is one other rule that I decided to throw out, [00:04:00] the idea that business relationships have to stay in a neat little box.
[00:04:04] I don't actually believe that anymore. It's taken me a while. So if one of my clients is running an event and they need an extra pair of hands and I'm free, I'll go help. If one of my Thriving Women is visiting Melbourne from out of town, let's go grab a coffee. When I'm in Brisbane for Go Get A Day and the girls say, "Emma, we're all doing a soak afterwards.
[00:04:23] Do you wanna come?" Absolutely, I wanna come. Hell yeah, I'm there. Count me in. Now, I know some people hear that and immediately think, "Oh, you've crossed the boundaries." Maybe. Boundaries matter, but boundaries don't mean building walls, ladies. There's a difference. Am I blurring the lines? Probably. Actually, I'm stirring them up like a little cocktail and I'm actually okay with that because my clients are also amazingly humans, and I'm human, and business is personal.
[00:04:57] When someone trusts me with their business, [00:05:00] they're trusting me with their dreams, their fears, their finances, sometimes their marriages. I kid you not. Sometimes their confidence. Sometimes the hardest season of their lives. You don't coach women for years and stay completely emotionally detached. I would be terrible at my job if I did that, nor would I want to do that.
[00:05:21] Some of my clients have become really good friends. Some friends have become clients. Life isn't always as neat as the corporate handbook would like you to think it is. Seasons change. You know, I noticed something else when I left corporate. A lot of my friendships changed, which made me slightly sad. It wasn't because anyone was bad, it was just because our worlds became too different.
[00:05:47] They didn't understand what running a business of my size was like, and that's okay. And over time, what I found was my own people. Women building beautiful [00:06:00] businesses. Women taking risks. Women backing themselves. Women backing others. It's a bit like becoming a parent. You know, people tell you you'll meet new people, you'll meet new friends at school.
[00:06:11] Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Life has seasons. Friendships evolve. Business communities become your village, and that's one of the greatest gifts of owning my own business. So what's the lesson? I think this is really what I want you to think about today as you're on your walk. How many of your business rules aren't actually yours?
[00:06:34] How many came from a boss, a bloke, an organization, a workplace 20 years ago, a society that rewarded people for looking busy instead of creating results? Just because you've always done something a certain way does not mean you need to keep doing it. You don't need permission. You can go for a walk at 2:00.
[00:06:56] You can book Pilates in the middle of the day. That could just be me. [00:07:00] You can work early if that's your best time, or late if you're a night owl. You can meet a client for coffee because you enjoy spending time with them. You can build a business that feels like yours, not someone else's. This week, I'd love you to ask yourself a couple of questions.
[00:07:21] You know I love homework. Question number one, what business rule am I following simply because I've always followed it? Number two, when do I actually do my best work? Not when you should be working. When do you naturally work best? For me, it's first thing in the morning. Build around that. Question three, where could I bring more joy, my favorite word at the moment, into the business?
[00:07:46] Maybe it's working somewhere different. Maybe it's having lunch with another business owner. Maybe it's finishing early to watch your kid's sport without feeling any kind of guilt. It could be booking that Pilates [00:08:00] class. Highly recommend. Question four: Which boundaries are going to protect me, and which ones are simply old corporate habits dressed up as professionalism?
[00:08:10] They're very different things. As we close off, I didn't start my business to recreate a corporate job. Hell no. I started it to build a life, a business that gives me impact, a business that gives me flexibility, a business that lets me laugh with my clients, celebrate with them, and sometimes, sometimes cry with them.
[00:08:33] Things can be hard. Occasionally, soak in a spa with them after Go Get A Day. Whoop, whoop. Because life is too short to separate everything into neat little boxes. So I'm curious, what do you do now that you're on your own and you own your own business that you never would have done in corporate? I have an app.
[00:08:54] I'd genuinely love to know. Come and tell me on Instagram or inside our community. Until next [00:09:00] time, remember, build the business. But also, don't forget to build the life that you chose to go with it. See you next week. Thanks for listening to Tea With The Queen. If you've enjoyed this podcast, please leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.
[00:09:17] It really does help to get the word out. For more about me, please visit emmamcqueen.com.au and I look forward to your company next episode.